CHOOSING Happiness Changes Everything- Daniela Jines

All the way from the sunny skies of Hawaii  Daniela Jines joins from Happy Organizations on the show + we have a deep intimate conversation.

We unpack the real hard truth- that most folks are in roles and jobs that suck the energy out of them; and it doesn't have to be that way.  You can stay in the professional career you're in and CHOOSE HAPPINESS.

Daniela takes us through the brain backed science to what actually occurs in our brains- how to listen to learn to acknowledge them and create new-neuropathways. 

The take-a-ways in this chat are real, raw + authentic.  There is a lot of energy + love to take in.

The education, the work + the effort that Daniela put in is huge.

This episode is for all those folks who have a job and are not happy...Yet.

Connect with Daniela on LinkedIn @ linkedin.com/in/daniela-jines-90b701170

Follow her on IG @ Happy Organizations (@behappyatwork1) • Instagram photos and videos

Website: www.happyorganizations.org

Grab her book here: For Those Who Have a Job and Are Not Happy... Yet

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Record all right, all right, all right. We are recording. This is this is magical, Danielle. Thank you. Holy smokes. Uh, we're gonna continue the conversation we started offline before pushing the record button, but welcome the people first podcast. It's an honor, seriously an honor, to host you today. This is super exciting. You are in like logistically Hollywood's most magical place in my word in my uh mind, which is Hawaii. Um, so thank you. We've got a huge it's 2 p.m. for me and and like 8 a.m. for you, so there's a big gap. Uh it takes a lot to show up. I'm humbled. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

I am so grateful to you. You've been always open since moment zero to receive the research we've been doing, to hear some experiences. Uh, and yes, this is a magical land, not only because it looks beautiful and nature is with us, it's because so many beautiful things are starting to um being created in Hawaii regarding the Aloha spirit and beautiful tips from the land on how to live better and how to live wiser.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Well, like we're on Zoom, and so this is really different because we're talking to each other through through screens and cameras and digital technology of today's world, and yet I'm touch-moved and inspired. I like the sense of energy that almost radiates through the screen is ridiculous. Um, so there's something, there's lots of things that are special about you, and I let's just distill this down, okay? Because you're I'm gonna play, let's let's let's play, we're gonna open up to to uh something dramatically different for our audience out there. Um, and this is just truly gonna just define that energy that I'm talking about. So hang with me here. But here's the question coming your way now. If aliens exist and they're up in space and they're watching, and one beams down right beside you and confronts you and says, Who the hell are you and why are you here on this earth? How do you respond to that?

SPEAKER_01 2:25

I love the energy, and I love how we started this conversation. We were almost one-on-one telling each other how beautiful this life is. My name is Daniela Jinez. Um, I am Bolivian, I'm a Quechua from the tribe Quechua. I believe that my role in this world is share as a bridge um what our ancient people created uh for us to be happy and uh to deliver a message that I've been studying and researching for over 20 years, which is happiness and neuroscience. That's what I do for life, that's it's my passion. Um, and that's what I would love to share today.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

So go on because you've got this excites me on so many different fronts. First of all, I'm a neuroscience junkie. Okay, love it. And we started the conversation um earlier talking about happiness, and and and you know, thank you for being so kind and holding space. You said, Hey, how you doing? Because our connection took about several months to happen because of things were happening in life. And you open up and say, Hey, how are you feeling? And and I and I my response is is real and authentic, which is I've never felt better at this season of life, right? Physically mad uh, you know, mentally, and and and I let off and I said to you, what really shifted for me was the self-awareness to believe and to know that I'm here and I'm having fun, and those that are around me can either join my fun or not, and either way, I'm content. Now, I don't know the neuroscience behind that, but this is I'm excited because you talked about two different things, right? Happiness, which I totally got, and neuroscience, which is groundbreaking because that challenges all of the stuff in between. So, talk to me a little bit about that. The neuroscience behind happiness. Talk to me a little bit about it.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

It is truly magical. And the beautiful thing is that the brain and everything we've learned, and I want to pause here. I want to pause here because we, as scientists, we need to be extremely responsible with what we share. Anyone can say, Oh, I've done studies, and studies say that alcoholism makes you stronger. And the studies have been developed in my garage with five of my friends, and I put it in Chat GPT, and sadly it's there. So the science that we're trying to spread is science that has been confirmed by different countries, by different sizes of data, um, by different organizations, because the data can come from an organization that has been sponsored by a pharmaceutical company. Of course. Therefore, the information that you get is not necessarily pure or objective. Um, the people on my field, we're trying to be super responsible with the data that we share. The data that we are going to share today, and we're going to talk about it, it's data that has been confirmed by different organizations, different countries, different kinds of studies. Most of them conclude that the brain is magical. And that there's such a harmony between ancestral wisdom, chantings, rituals, connections, and the brain itself and how it works. Basically, what I'm saying is that this beautiful, beautiful box called brain can be managed, can be um nourished with ancestral wisdom, doing what the people on the simple life before, before technology was invented, did connection, love, hard work, exercise, sweating, those little things trigger our brains. And right now, Jonathan, we have enough information to actually give you a formula on how the brain works to make us the better versions of who we are. And that's basically happiness. The best version that we can achieve with what we have.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Okay. So you you gotta unpack this now. Um tell me more about it.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

We get mesmerized, right? So every human being is different, we have different prefrontal cortex, but every human has kind of the same organs. Even if you are a person with disabilities, the brain works in a very similar way. The prefrontal cortex receives information. You have neurotransmitters. Most of us have dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, acetocholine. Let's give you an example. So, what we've discovered as scientists is, for instance, if you can create a harmony between dopamine, which is what gives you happiness immediately, and serotonin, which is like a steady version of happiness that builds you up, that creates acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is the neurotransmitter, uh transmitter for learning, meaning that the happier you are, the more you learn. Now, let me give you a question just to prove this. I love asking this question. Do you remember what you ate two weeks ago on a Monday morning? Or lunch?

SPEAKER_00 8:25

No idea.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Not really. Okay. Do you remember your first kiss?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Okay. Probably your first kiss was before two weeks ago, maybe a year, two years, but yes, absolutely. Okay. Why is your brain remembering something that happened so long ago and not something that you ate two weeks ago? And simple reasons are serotonin and dopamine must have been present in that moment because you were learning and absorbing things with emotions. We remember things with emotions. The brain, this beautiful box, will absorb things that truly matter. You might not remember all of these years that you've been working in something that is not making you happy, but you do remember that hag from your child or someone you love or that leak from your pet that you adore. That's what we're trying to create here: consciousness of what really makes a human happy and the things that we're paying attention to that are not really doing the work. For instance, uh, social media is one of the things that make us the saddest the most. It's actually creating depression. So you see, the brain is giving us the answers on how to operate on a daily basis to be calm and feel better.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Okay. A question for you now. So if the brain remembers things that have emotion attached to it, does that run out? In other words, is there a life cycle to it? Like I can't, there's the if there's emotion attached to everything, I'm gonna become exhausted and not remember things. Is that is that an accurate statement?

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Janatan, do you do you actually become exhausted by love?

SPEAKER_00 10:22

No.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

There you are. There, there's the answer. It's a magical machine. Once again, what we try to do is deliver years of um hard science in beautiful, simple words. This is a magical machine, therefore, it's never gonna get tired of learning. Years ago, scientists believed that neuroplasticity, the ability to learn, was on decline where you were starting to tell um become 40, 50, 60. Now it's proven that it can be 80 years old and you can still learn a language. If you do it with your grandkids while dancing, there's been some studies about, for instance, some Latinos that um came to the US trying to learn new English, they couldn't at schools, but with the grandchildren, because of the need of communication and playing games, they still keep learning. So neuroplasticity, happiness, love it's so essential for the brain. We're never going to get tired of having enough dopamine and serotonin, therefore, acetylcholine to learn. It's a magical box. We can keep on feeding it and feeding it.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Okay, so pump the brakes here a little bit. This is a lot of knowledge, and you, you know, the scientific background you have, and then all of this knowledge. How do you take all of that? What happens when you inject that into the professional workplace? Because this is much of the work you do. So talk to me a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

My field of work is happiness at work. So the studies that we um we developed give us um an estimate if a normal human, a normal human at work who will spend 90,000 hours of their lives at work. Okay, this is scary. Yeah, because if you are in a job or a work that is not making you feel something other than stress, hate, depression, something beautiful, something uplifting, you're giving your life away. And that field, I just got mesmerized, but that data and I've spent the last 20 years researching how to be happy at work, how we can adapt our brains and be happy at work, no matter what we do, because not all of us have the privilege of doing what we love. Sometimes we're stuck with kids in in countries that um we can barely afford anything. So we have to do what there is to do, yet still we can be happy, and that's what my my research is trying to find.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah, I want to I want to challenge us a little bit because we oftentimes hear, oh, do what you love and do, and it'll never feel like a day of work in your life. Got that. And I don't have to hold space for there's the external pressures of you know life that says money must occur and must flow in in order to sustain this level. But then I heard you say that, and this is so reality, because you you know, I want to squash this right away where people say, Well, I'm in a job that I really hate. I don't like that word hate, but that comes up so because it's such a strong word, and people say, Oh, I'm in a job I just hate, but I just have to do this. Like that is the most deflating statement you can ever say, and it occurs so frequently. So I want to volley that over you. Somebody says that to you, says, Oh, I'm in a job that I hate, but I just gotta do this for the next 40 years of my life till the retirement. Because that's a real that that really occurs. What do we do next?

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Brain and neuroscience is about asking questions. The first question is, do you really have to? Let's analyze that. Do you really, really have to? And sometimes, Jonathan, the answer is yes. Because of the political situation, the economical situation, um, family situation, yes, I have to. Okay. If that is the answer, then we have some tips and how to train your body to still find happiness. If the answer is, oh, actually, I don't have to. Oh, okay, okay, okay, let's go this way. For both answers, the brain has solutions. And there is this protection. Our brain is designed to protect us. Right. We believed at the beginning that it was designed for survival, and it is true, but at the end, the studies show that it's it's for good. It wants to protect us. So if I say I hate my job, yeah, your brain is going to believe that, and it's going to create the whole system, parasympathetic system, immune system, to protect you because you hate your job. If you say, I'm not right now where I want to be, but I'm going towards it, therefore, I'm going to be grateful. The qualification that your brain sets, it's different. Therefore, your immune system will be different, your attitude will be different, and the development of the cells and the neurotransmitters will be different. Magic box again. This is magical.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

I love this. So I want to hang out here for a second because I'm going to say that let's go down the easy road where most people are going to say, I have to do this. Because it's the easy way out. You and I both know today that there's so many other possibilities that can occur. Yet, let's just stay somebody says I have to do this, and they stay in that job for 20, 30, 40 years of their life. Now what? Tips and tricks to say, great, so you're in this role. What do you do next?

SPEAKER_01 16:22

I want to give some hope to everyone that is watching. I visited villages and communities in very, very hard places in the world.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

People doing very hard jobs, minimum wage, um, knowing that they're never going to be able to even afford a television. Yet, happiest people I've met. Because you have a purpose. In science, when the brain has a purpose, everything changes. For instance, um, I have this this person that works in an um maquila. It's this organization's on word hotbeds kind of thing. You know, in Asia, all they do every day is work with a machine on and on and on, minimum wage no one appreciates you. When the person understands the purpose, the purpose for him was to send his granddaughter to school and then to university. That was the purpose. So every morning he had a picture of the grand um daughter, and that was his purpose on life. Therefore, everything he did was for her. And at the end of the day, he got to hang with her, play with her. So that purpose itself made the immune system better. And Jonathan, this is once again science because you need to be able to measure that. If you're going to talk about data, you need to be able to measure that. So he study that, the brains, the MRIs. It's not only saying, oh yeah, I'm happy, I'm happy, no matter how hard this is. It's measuring it, and you can see the results. So for people that are stuck at what they're doing, purpose, finding purpose is one of the biggest things. Before work and after work can actually determine how you perform at work. Before at work and after work for the brain are almost more important than what you're doing there. Before work and after work, you need to have some specific exercise, rituals, procedures that can codify your brain for what you think is hell. So if you really, really think you need to be in this piece of hell, as you call work, there's something you can do in the middle and after to make it more tolerable and on the long term, actually be able to enjoy it if you think you're trapped there.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Okay, so give me an example.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Morning. And I'm going to go very easy on the details, practical details. What's the first thing that um quote unquote normal human right now would do as soon as they wake up?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Let's say go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Then after that, they're gonna go through with their morning routine, whatever morning routine that looks like.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Perfect. Okay, we're talking about routine. Studies say that the routine, especially with Americans, starts by looking at the screen. Right. Looking at the screen creates a blockage between our prefrontal cortex and the amygdala and the rest of our brain. So what we are starting the day like this. A second thing, you might go and we're talking about rituals. Rituals and the routines are extremely beautiful for the brain. The brain loves predictability, they love it. But if what you're giving them is predictability of um in the morning, I wake up, I take coffee, I watch cell phone or the news that it's exploding with bad news, suffering, um, corruption, blah, blah, blah. And then I fight with my spouse, and everyone is screaming and yelling to go to school. I barely have anything to eat, I barely have anything to connect with who I am and with them my purpose. And then I go into the hallway, I or I go into the road, and it's more stress, stress, stress. I'm creating such uh codification for my brain to have a horrible day, and the stress is already up. We have this um cortisol um release that once it's high in the morning, super hard to com it during the day. So, like you said, the routine is extremely important. Start your day with light is one of the best, best advice. And it's free. All you need to do is open the window and stare like one Mississippi, two Mississippi. If you stare to 15 Mississippi's, you are already generating in your brain codification for glutamate, glutamato, which will help you be active. You are um making the cortisol go down, therefore, you are codificating your world, codifying your uh your world for a better day already. That's that's all. I'm just giving you one.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Okay, so let's let's let's back up a little bit. Something else that you said that was very important is defining purpose, right? And I get that. I have purpose for especially in different areas of life. My fitness, the reason I work out, the reason that you know I do the work I do, the reason so so I I have no problem sharing all that, but except and there are lots of people who I ask the same question like, what's your purpose? And I get you know, stage one thinking responses. I do this for my family. I go to work for my family. Uh-huh. Right? Like that's a common real uh my family is the most important thing. But what I'm getting at is that how do we challenge folks to actually dig in and ask the questions to truly define what triggers them and defines their purpose?

SPEAKER_01 22:23

That's such a beautiful question. And that's kind of the question. Once you have purpose, everything else takes um takes and makes sense. Do you understand the power of that question, Jonathan? And how often do we ask that in schools, at work, with our families? There are some techniques that are easy. Um, the first one is meditation and journaling. If you are on your quest to find a purpose, sometimes you need to explore the uncomfortable. You say, my family, yes, but I don't spend time with them. Yes, but I can't wait to get divorced. Yes, but I'm cheating on my wife, yes, but I don't even know my kids really well. So dig in deep. And sometimes when you find your real purpose, it can be a selfish purpose and it can be scary.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

What do you mean by that? What do I mean? Yeah, like when you say selfish purpose and scary, what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Sometimes, uh, once you find your purpose, when we work with people, is um my purpose is to be rich and uh to be famous. Okay, that purpose might not really combine with having a loving family. Do you understand that? Oh, yes, I do understand that. If I do understand that, maybe I shouldn't have kids. Maybe I should marry someone that also doesn't want kids. That's the importance of finding your purpose. But let's say that you're already there, you're in the middle, you have your family. Being responsible with yourself, understanding the percentage of what gives you purpose. Another thing, because I know we can explore this forever. One of the exercises that works better is do a little bit of breath work, a little bit of meditation, and journal. Let's say I am super old, I know that my last days are coming soon. I'm gonna write a letter to myself on my last days, and I'm gonna write things that I'm proud of, things that I have done in my life that I'm proud of.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

And things that I've done that I'm ashamed of. Once you read that letter, you understand whatever gives you. The brain is magical again, and it's so wise, and it's connected to the body. We always thought, oh, the brain is here, the stomach is here. Scientist affirms that it's connected, all of this is disconnected. So when you say, I feel it, oh my god, something is not good, it's your brain preventing. We know our body knows. We just need to stay in silence sometimes with ourselves to find the answer.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Thank you. I I I'm taking a deep breath because I I actually had like the hair on my uh on my arms is standing up, and and it's this is exactly what we're talking about because we're in alignment. You and I are in alignment. I'm like, there's no doubt about this. And the thing is moment zero, too. The people who are listening to us and and following this conversation are totally in alignment. All of the stuff that we've so far sort of touched the surface on, as you talk it, I'm inside shouting, hell yes, hell yes, hell yes. And here it comes, right? Then I take this work to the corporate world. When like like this is the stuff you do. This is what this is actually the work you do. So it's a stacked question. So hang with me here. I guess this the first part of the question is what's going on within an organization that they call you and say, Hey, I need you, you gotta come in here, and then what's the first thing that you do?

SPEAKER_01 26:12

We talk about the culture, the soul of an organization. Everything has soul. The beauty of my work, um, Jonathan, is that all that things Jibijabba, um, that hippie say love, soul, aura, energy, that's science. And an organization, a group of families, a team has soul, family. We call it culture. So we go deep in an organization to see what's their soul, what's their beliefs, what are their rituals, how is the leadership? Is there not a horizontal one? Um, is the leader leading by example? Are the people happy? Are they breeding? How is their system of rewards? How are they feeling? How much time they have with their families? So we do like an x-ray of how the soul is. Look how funny. And you ask either the leaders um some questions then, and then you ask the workers. If there's a difference between what the leaders tell you and the workers tell you, you're like, oh, oh huh. What they understand as culture and they understand as culture is not the same. Right. The purpose, again, you have a family purpose, you have a personal purpose, and at work, you have an organizational purpose. If you don't have that, the vision sometimes, how we call it, but if you don't have that in your soul, you can have it in your wallet, in your wall, um, in your contract, but if it's not here and you don't believe it and you don't observe it, you're not going to belong.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

You're not going to love it. No. And there's no alignment. And your body's going to know that right away, right? There it is. You just you just identify it. You can, you know, organizations sometimes have it backwards, right? We throw the we throw all this fluffy stuff on the walls. Here's our purpose, here's our mission statement, here's our values. And then it doesn't line up. Right? And then what's actually going on is something dramatically different, which is what you're talking about. The X-ray is taking a temperature reading of what's happening, and we've identified there's misalignment here, folks. And when there's misalignment, that energy is going to resonate through every single crack, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:37

What we don't know as leaders is that this actually making you people happy enhances productivity. And once again, I'm extremely careful with the data that I'm sharing and the science that I'm sharing. So this information has been researched for years. I've seen it in organizations that I work with, and I experience it in the organizations that I am currently. This works caring for you people, make them feel valuable. They will produce 34% more in the first year. 34% more in the first year. The more you love it and nourish it, the more it grows. And big organizations are already working with it. It's not new, it's it's happening.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

So what's the first thing you c you know, first thing you come into an organization and like right away, something will trigger you, and you'll be like, ooh, there's a bit of a happiness gap here. What do you notice right away? Like, what's it what's a what's a for sure red flag?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

People on their phones.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

We forgot how to stay present. And when you're going to build an organization, the brain needs to focus on one thing. That's the beauty of it. The brain is fantastic, it's a beautiful machine, can do a lot of things, but can only concentrate really in one thing. So when you want to create something meaningful, for instance, um a meeting, there's some keys for meetings. If you start a meeting at 6 o'clock p.m., that meeting is doom, doom, doom, doom. The brain is already so saturated. This glutamate that I love is exceeding its capability. You're not gonna get anything on top of it. If you say uh give pastries on that meeting, um, if you allow people being on the phones, if you don't have a second for them to center and do a little breath work, you might as well not have that meeting. So what we're saying. Sorry, so go go ahead. I I see a question coming.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

No, no, go on, finish that thought because I was gonna say, you you know, what was top of mind for me was great. So what's the data and the science to share with the leaders who are still sitting there going, guys, I don't have time for that stuff. I don't have time for this, you know, BS, this, this, this woo-woo stuff that you know, give them time to center. Some people don't buy into that. So we know the brain is a mini-making machine. We know the brain loves data. So, what kind of data do you provide to say, okay, if you don't do anything, here's the here's the ripple.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I love this, I love this data, data, data, uh, potato, potato, because that's science. Numbers don't lie. Nine out of 10 out of 10 leaders that we show this little training love it. If you don't, you're going to have a decrease on productivity through the years. Um, eight out of ten workers without a solid culture, organizational culture, have reported burnout. Eight. Eight out of ten. So if you're not doing something intentionally to give your workers a break or some level of happiness, they're going to either have absent days, which cost productivity, they're going to be in some sort of antidepressants, which is good and it can help, but not on the long term, because it reduces productivity too. It creates um immune uh system response, meaning that they're going to be tired, exhausted. Um, it creates heart problems. So you're not only dooming your organization, you're dooming their lives on the long term. And no one will pay for that. No one will pay for your future um heart problems once you're in the middle of work. All of these things, Jonathan, I experienced that myself. So sometimes you know the best psychologist is someone that has received big, big amounts of trauma. In my case, I I had I am very, very young, thinking that the more hours you work, the better results you're going to put. Um, and when we talk with the leader.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

No, this is fantastic, and we got a huge rainstorm that uh started just before we we we started this conversation, and it's caused everything to freeze, so um this might be broken up a little bit. I I might have lost you again. Anyhow. Come back to me. Holy moly, talk about the rain. Um you still there? Okay, here we go. Let's talk this again. Uh in you know, huge rainstorm over here, and it's causing some issues, so we're gonna we're gonna patch this together. Thank you for your patience.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Oh my goodness, no.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Come back because we were you were you you were uh on the on the first lag there. There was something that was really intriguing. You were talking about you know burnout, and you're sharing your your own life experiences where you believed the way I understood it, the because I was there too, and so many of others believed that you know you the production work, work, work, work, work, and then something occurs. So talk to me a little bit about burnout. I mean, uh we can sense burnout. What do you what do you tell me about burnout?

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Once again, the the brain is extremely wise and it's connected to our stomach and the whole body. We know we start, it starts little. You can start shaking, problems when you sleep, problems when you poop, problems when you have sex, problems concentrating, problems eating. It comes, the body knows. The problem is that um, since we're little, they don't teach us how to connect with our emotions, listen to um our brains and our bodies. Something aches, and modern technology just feeds you medication. Right. Um, but if you and if we are trained on how to listen to our body, understand something is wrong. I was born in a culture on one being a woman is um it's already hard. If you have the chance, you need to compete with all the men. We need to compete to prove that we are equally or even better. And um, the the market is so saturated that you need to work your tushy off to prove that you you can still be employed. I was there 20 years old. I was um a young lawyer trying to prove my worth, working so many hours after work. I didn't have friends, I didn't have anything because I wanted to be powerful. I wanted to prove my parents, my family, my university that I was worth it. Right. Um it started, it started with I couldn't sleep well, medication here, I went to the doctor, and uh doctors are always saturated. That's why I think, Jonathan, it's our responsibility to look um for our own cure. Of course, the doctor is so, so um busy, they will give you one thing, another thing. So I had medication for depression, I had medication for anxiety, I had medication to sleep. My body was a machine of medication. Therefore, the brain, this magic thing, was exhausted. I ended up in the hospital and I thought there's got to be a better way. And then the more I study, the more I research on myself, because you need to be humble first to see if it works you. You can't sell something that you don't know it works on you first. Little by little, I did see it works with me. I saw working with my family, I saw it working in the communities that I research. Um, I together with other scientists that were showing the same results, we created a collective, a book, things that we can share. And that's why I reach out to you, that they don't cost us. You nearly need to spend anything investing in you and to have a healthy life. And that's what they sell us, right? This protein shake, um, these pills, this treatment, and then you're going to be happy. In real life, the sun, the earth, those things can actually give us better results. A kiss to your mother, to your kids, um, your pets, a sports. Sometimes that's actually more powerful.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Right. And you know, you you you you nailed it, right? You can walk down any bookstore, and there's like aisles and aisles of happiness, the happiest equation. Here's how to be happy, on and on and on. And we're sold that way. And and what you know, what triggers me is that we you can open up social media at any point in time, and it's artificially wired to make you feel like if you have this pill, this thing, if you do this little buy this little trinket, you're gonna feel happy. And I love what you said earlier, where it's actually the opposite effect. Social media is actually deteriorating us of our own happiness, and uh it excites me because when we go back to the bare essentials of what it is to be a human being. I mean, I'm looking outside now, and literally there's there's a ton of rain coming down, there's something special about embracing what's around you, you know. And I I'm talking about rain because this is real. Like it happened last weekend. I was camping with our daughter, and it started to downpour. And it it it chokes me up to talk about it because I looked at her, she's 10 years old and I said, Cassandra, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna stand here and cook in the rain. Right? And she's like, why? I'm like, because you know what most people do when it rains? Take shelter, cover up. Oh, the rain sucks, the rain sucks. And it's just like you just triggered it when you go back to sort of listening to the things around you instead of looking for the fast fix, standing in the rain, yeah. Is it is it uncomfortable? Maybe for the first 30 seconds, but once you're wet, who cares? Anyhow, um just thank you, right? Because we're we're we're in a quick fix environment where buy this pill, drink this drink. You said have this protein shake, you're gonna feel better. Well, are you? I I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:30

The ingredients as well. We we're fabricating happiness when we have all the tools in ourselves to do so. Um, the reason why we reach Jonathan is because as a collective, we we believe that this information needs to be out for free and by free. Um, anyone that wants to uh get our book, please reach our media, reach our website. We'll send the PDF at no cost. We created a little book. Um, it's called Um If You Have a Job and You're Not Happy Yet, and it's reading with such an easy English. I I wrote it myself because you know it's not my first language, so it's it's like happiness for dummies. No one is dumb, of course, but but just the title, and it gives you little rituals that you can do to train your body immediately. But at the end of the day, if you don't want to read the book, listen to your ancestors. Love, connection, community, hugs, kisses. If you don't have anyone to hug, hug yourself. The brain won't distinguish. Kiss yourself if you don't have anyone. Dance by yourself. If you don't have anyone to dance with, dance by yourself, breathe. Like I said, um the exercise is one of the most healthy things. Put yourself in uncomfortable situations. We pay so much for ice baths when you can be on the rain with your daughter looking at the sky. Not the ice bath itself. You you're paying for the experience with the real experience. This um idea of walking barefoot on the parks, it actually works. It's actually science. People think, oh, these hippies, right? But it does work. Staring at the sun, those little things, they do work. We can't spend 90,000 hours of our lives without enjoying it. We deserve that. We've forgotten that we do deserve to have a good life, we deserve to be happy. And happiness, once again, like our ancestors said, they don't come with material things. The brain says it, MRIs say it. They come with the little emotional things, and they're so at our reach. They are, and then I'm gonna get emotional. See, it it works.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

See, and and I want to you know, chop this down even more because now there's the the corporate leaders out there who listen to this going, I hear what you're saying, and somebody else's happiness is not you know my concern, and they're gonna chop it down and say, you know, we have in some what happens when somebody challenges and says, Hey, we live in a too soft of a society where I don't have time to worry about this happiness stuff. I need people to work. How do we take that on?

SPEAKER_01 43:30

You need to respect everyone's um decision, but like you said, the data is there. You want more effectiveness. Everyone wants more production. Whatever they're doing, you want your team to produce more. There's the data, there's science that's telling you that it's going to work if you put more attention. You want to live longer. There is data that is showing you that even if you have a horrible job, you can be. Happy. You want more quality. There's data showing you what to do to be happy. It is okay. But also as a leader, Jonathan, and I want to be very serious with this, you have a responsibility.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

You are in charge of people. You have a responsibility. You're not just playing with numbers. You're playing with souls, with families, with hearts. The system, the health system, the insurance system is so cruel. You have a responsibility taking care of the health of those people. Even if you think that there's nothing you can do, there are thousands and one things you can do to give more quality to the people. Even if you have no one cent to spend. It doesn't have to cost you anything, right? It doesn't have to cost you anything. And we're offering right now for the people of this podcast. Send us a um a quote that you can create and put it on the caps. We'll give the book for free. So that's not even going to cost you anything. You have the research right there. Step one, how to um run a meeting with my people. Step two, how to be a better leader. Don't believe us. Try it. If it works, there you go. Use it, reply it, multiply it. If it doesn't work, text me. We'll discuss. You're probably not doing something good in the formula because this works. It's not me, it's years and years and years and thousands of scientists giving you this information.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Yeah, that's the beautiful, most beautiful part, right? Because human beings in today's society, and those who don't agree with this, can are welcome to challenge me. But we live in the most technologically advanced era. We have access at our fingertips, right? And we think that, oh, you know, the internet's gonna tell me, or AI is gonna help me solve my problem. I want to tell you, uh, this is my philosophy, right? Is AI intelligent? Yes, right, you know, um, but it doesn't have like um common sense and it doesn't have a heart. And what I mean by that, like, AI can tell you every day that, hey, a tomato is a fruit. Great. You and I know that I'm not gonna put a tomato in a fruit salad with grapes and bananas and oranges and stuff, right? Why? Well, because if I'm gonna prepare something with love, it's gonna sort of twist everything with the wrong ingredients. Um and I I'm saying this because it's echoing what you the what what you really said was this is not new information, folks. This has been around for centuries. We just think that we're better today than we were thousands of years ago, which we're not, right? We're not. Thank you for this. Listen, uh scary out there. Sorry, go ahead. No, go, go, go, go. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, I was gonna give some data about uh children and uh the pre-frontal cortex of children from years four to eleven has been compromised. It's not developing the same way that they used to, because this is all they see, right? So there are so many functions of the brain that are not developing, because what we are doing to ourselves as humanity is trapped ourselves in something that is beautiful and fantastic, but forgetting the rest of the world, diseases, the immune system is not responding, so many troubles because we're forgetting to see what it counts, what it really, really matters. That for the brain is love, community, exercise. We already mentioned it. It can be scary, but it's also hopeful because, like you said, we have the information. Don't believe all the data that you see. Do a little bit of serious research. Who's sponsoring this product? Why are they giving me this product? Is it really gonna make me happy? The the answer is there. Just dig a little bit deeper or use the information that science has.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Yeah, really. And you said right there that folks, you gotta stay curious about everything. You hear something, figure it out, challenge it, right? Where's this information coming from? You know, who's backing it? Where's the where's the research? Where's the bias coming from? You find what you want to look for, sure, right? For sure. Thank you for that. There's a couple other things I want to go over, but is there I want to volume it back to you? Is there something we haven't yet talked about that's top of mind for you to say, Jonathan? I want to make sure we talk about this. Is there something we haven't touched on?

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Does it work for every brain? Yes, it does. It works for every brain. Even though we're absolutely different, the brain was created with certain patterns. Um, is there hope for every single human in the world that um even though I hate my job, I can be happy at it? Yes, there is. Is it simple? No, it's not. The only thing I'm going to share with you, the recipe, it's two things. And it works. It works, it works, it works. Is discipline and patience. Okay. The work will come if you retrain your brain for happiness in about 15 days, a month or two, it's like a muscle. The muscle will show, the brain will respond.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. How do people get in touch with you? What's the best way to get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Um, our website, and uh I I would say the website, because then you have things to um pick from. We are launching, and I want to be um I want to give you the premise.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

Um, we are launching uh an international project called Aloha Um Workaholics Anonymous. Okay. This is a free um a free group. We get together on Saturdays in the morning and we talk about little tools to be happy at work. Little ones, big ones. We are hoping that uh your own community will organize sports for people that are stressed, um, breath work. We are um associating with different organizations around different states and different countries. Of course, Bolivia will be part of it. And the idea is that we speak up. If our leaders are not doing it, we can do it. It doesn't mean creating a confrontation, right? But if our leaders see us listening to music, meditating a little bit, um doing little steps to make an organization better, that might be contagious and the leaders might wake up. Uh, but if they don't, it's okay. I can be happy internally. So please go into our website if we can put it um down in the in the notes. That'll be fantastic. Like I said, um the book is available. And uh hopefully the next time when we see each other, um, I'll be so, so happy sharing that many of us are starting to have a better day at work because we understand that we are all sacred and that we all have this magic wall. We all, all, all.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, I love this. Thank you. Thank you. Um, absolutely, we'll share all the contact details in the show notes, so that's not a problem. So one last thought for you here, one last question coming your way. So hang with me here. If you were given one opportunity to share one message with humanity, what's the one thing you want to share with them?

SPEAKER_01 52:20

It's just a game.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

It's just a game.

SPEAKER_01 52:24

Life is just a game. We take it very seriously. When we're playing as kids, you enjoy so much the ride, the sweat, your friends' arms, your friends' laughter. Even if you lose in a game, you're happy, you sweat it, you breathe through it. It's hard sometimes, it teaches you hard lessons, but at the end of the day, it's just a game, and we're all gonna end up in the same place, which is dead, dead, finito, nothing we're going to take to life. This thirst for powers, this thirst to be someone, it can be important. But if we are not someone to our family, to the people that we love, if we don't make a connection that makes us understand how beautiful this life is, maybe just maybe we're not in the right path. You can, but it's just a game. We might as well play it with honor, happiness, and gratitude.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Um thank you. I am tremendously grateful to have this pleasure of uh spending time with you today. Thank you. Thank you for for for showing up. Thank you for pivoting through some of the technological glitches we had. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. But most importantly, I I truly appreciate you and the work you're doing. Because if we touch, we would inspire one person at a time. That's all it takes. I love you for what you're doing. I really do.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Thank you. I'm going to leave you with one question that my friend taught me that I I ask you to ask everyone. It's such a beautiful eye-opener conversation. It's such a beautiful start it, and I would love for you to answer.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Jonathan, hi, it's so good to see you. Name three things that are exciting you in your life right now.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Oh my gosh, the number one, the fact I get to wake up and see my children every single day. Number two, that I get to go out, I have the privilege of going outside at my leisure to do whatever it is I want to do outside without any fears, considerations. And the the other th the final thing is moving my body brings me so much joy that it's one of my life missions. One of the reasons I do what I do to ensure that I look after this vessel, like this existence because it brings me so much joy. I'm gonna just tie it all back in because it couples me. It couples when I have the privilege of waking up with our children and they say, Hey, I want to go play basketball, or I want to go do this. I'm gonna hell yeah, all in. So thank you. What a beautiful question.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

My friend Ashley taught me that, and it's it's a beautiful thing to ask your kids, your family, um, everyone around. There's always, always at least three reasons to be thankful for every time. Thank you so much for this chance. All all the loving and aloha your way.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

I appreciate you. Thank you for making time for today.